Saturday, October 29, 2011

Personal defense and more.

The subject of personal defense and firearms tends to be a very  "hot button" topic these days, but it is a subject that we take very seriously and we would like to share how it affects our VanTramping lifestyle. I hope it is of some value to you, our friends. 

For Heidi and I, the decision to buy and carry firearms was based on a couple basic concepts. We never walk in fear, but from personal experience over the years as well as being aware of current trends in crime, being more able to protect each other is a solid reason. The fact that we enjoy shooting and feel like guns are a pretty safe investment also helped us decide. 


We both have our CPLs and now carry the above Beretta PX4s pretty regularly. Heidi's is the 9MM on top, mine is chambered in .40 S&W. We recently joined the local indoor range and took a class to improve our shooting, both were good decisions. 

Carrying concealed from state to state is one aspect that many consider complicated. Figuring out which states have reciprocity with Washington was not difficult. See here: Reciprocity maps  If you know your route or have an idea, it is easy to figure out how to handle each state and their laws for dealing with carry or transport of firearms & ammo. 

The 12 Gauge Mossberg is setup for home defense in it's current form, but is soon to gain an extra barrel with more length so it can optionally be used for hunting nummy tasting grouse and other game birds. 

The air rifle, made by Beeman, is more for plinking and target shooting for now. It is capable of use for small game, but so far, unless there is some extreme need, that won't happen. I like furry little critters too much. All of our firearms fit easily in Taj and have their own specific locations. 

To end this post, I will say that one of the things that we value most in this VanTramping lifestyle involves the pursuit of self sufficiency. Having the tools to defend yourself, without relying on Law Enforcement, (who likely won't be in the area when you most need them),  is just one more step toward that goal. 

17 comments:

  1. Can't help but to say: "Oh shoot!"

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  2. ~~Mike~~ I'm with you 100%. As a fellow CHL holder, I will only go to states with and agreement with my state.(28 so far). You will not find me even near Chicago.
    http://www.rv0777.com/2011/07/come-on-make-my-dayreally.html
    Michael

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  3. Thanks for your comments Merikay, Michael and Mike & Gerri! Glad to see you all chiming in :)

    -Mike

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  4. Very good post, I have been struggling with what to do about self defense and this helps with some decision making.
    Dragonfly

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  5. Have either of you ever actually needed to use or threaten to use your weapons yet? Or do they just give you a feeling of security having them and knowing how to use them? (not making any judgement here - just curious)

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  6. Thanks for the comments Dragonfly and Tesage :)

    Since we have had the guns, there hasn't been a need and I seriously hope we never do need them. Of course the best and expected outcome is that we will never have to use them, but are prepared if we do. There have been many times in my life where the need could have been there with just a small change in circumstance. I have been within ear shot of 2 murders in my life(was the 911 caller for one of them). Had to jump out a second story window at 4 in the morning thanks to an arsonist, found out my neighbor was raped right outside my door. Had 2 people in one week attempt to car jack me(drive with your doors locked). Things happen. Being prepared is wise IMO.

    -Mike

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  7. Are there stats on CHL Holders being safer? Such as the success rate of averting problems. I heard a commenter on Glenn's blog say a big can of mace gave them a good sense of security. I've got Grizzly Bear Spray that fit's the bill. Mike, where were you living when all this mayhem happened?

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  8. Hey Michael, Couldn't tell ya on the stats. I am sure there could be, but I don't quite know how you would quantify it. There are tons of news stories even on our local news where CPL holders have defended themselves successfully in life or death situations so I would expect they would consider themselves safer. Mace or any spray, is not something I can risk with CF. The Mayhem I mentioned above is just some of the stuff I have dealt with in several places I have lived over the years both urban and rural in both Minnesota and Washington. There was quite a few more examples I could have come up with too. I would rather have a firearm and not need it than need it and not have it. Personal defense is just one of the reasons we have firearms.

    Thanks for the comment/questions Michael :)

    -Mike

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  9. I hope we don't read about you and Heidi shooting each other in the middle of the night when one of you steps outside to relieve his or herself. Best-case scenario: you both are wonderful shots and both go together.

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  10. Hi Bob, Nah, no worries there! We actually practice both at the range and run drills in the van on safe handling and strategy to deal with various scenarios. We are very safe with out methods and equipment. Of course, the late night relief issue doesn't fit with us anyway, we have indoor plumbing :) We are both actually pretty decent shots too, if I do say so myself.

    -Mike

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  11. Is that decent shots with plumbing or guns?

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  12. Both LOL! Although with the plumbing, it isn't required...

    -Mike

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  13. EVERYONE able to do so, SHOULD be able to DEFEND THEMSELVES AND ther loved ones.

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  14. Having a gun and knowing how to use it is just as important as carrying a fire extinguisher and a spare tire in your rig and knowing what to do with those. It's a matter of being prepared, not wanting an occasion to use them.

    To the folks with bear spray and such who feel safer by having it... good luck with that in the checkout line at a store when some knucklehead comes in to rob the place.

    I know there are some retired LEOs who read these types of blogs and, in case they may not know, there's a federal law that makes it legal for y'all to carry concealed in all 50, including the Peoples Republic of Illinois.

    http://www.philadelphiaarcheryandgunclub.com/HR218.pdf

    and

    http://www.gpo.gov/fdsys/pkg/BILLS-111s1132enr/pdf/BILLS-111s1132enr.pdf

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  15. Where I said "retired" should say "former." A 2010 amendment to the law expanded coverage to federal government officers and agents, cut the service time requirement from 15 years to 10 and replaced the word "retired" with the word "separated."

    If you were a federal agent, a state, county or municipal cop, or an Amtrack cop with at least 10 years on the job and didn't leave while assigned to the rubber gun squad, you're good to go. Get ahold of your last employing agency, get an ID card, go through their prescribed on-duty FA qualification and you're good to go.

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  16. Hi Mike and Heidi,
    I finally got a laptop and can actually read your blog now. in reguards to firearm ownership, training and continued training,are an excellent investment.
    Hugs

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